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This article is going to help you decide between the two mainstream hardware platforms available for performance/gaming laptops in 2022 and later into 2023, the AMD Ryzen 7 6800H (Rembrandt platform) on one side, and the Intel Core i7-12700H (12th-gen Alder Lake platform) on the other.
To make this comparison relevant, our tests and analysis are based on our detailed reviews of these two processors on the exact same notebook design (the 2022 TUF Gaming A15 – AMD and F15 – Intel lineup), with the same kind of storage, RAM, and Nvidia graphics, as well as the same cooling module.
This way, we’re able to closely look at the two CPUs and their impact on benchmarks, workloads, and games, but also discuss the efficiency of both platforms and the differences in thermals between the two in demanding loads.
Our findings might differ to some extent for other notebooks, based on the cooling/power of each implementation, but this comparison is an excellent starting point in your research, as it allows us to focus on the CPUs without having to account for other variables that could not be controlled if we’d compare these two platforms in different products.
The TUF laptops are very competitive products in this 2022 generation, with updated cooling designs and permissive power settings, as well as DDR5 memory, PCIe gen4 storage, and high-power RTX dGPUs. Our review units are the:
- TUF Gaming A15 FA507 (Ryzen 7 6800H, RTX 3060 140W + MUX, 16 GB DRR5 memory – two sticks, 1 TB gen4 SSD, 90Wh battery).
- TUF Gaming F15 FX507 (Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX 3060 140W + MUX, 16 GB DRR5 memory – two sticks, 1 TB gen4 SSD, 90 Wh battery).
With that out of the way, here’s a quick look at the specs sheets of these two processors, before we jump to the actual technical comparison.
Intel Core i7-12700H vs AMD Ryzen 7 6800H specs sheets
| Intel Core i7-12700H – Alder Lake 12th gen |
AMD Ryzen 7 6800H – Rembrandt 6000 Zen3+ | |
| Build process | Intel 7 – 10 nm Enhanced SuperFin | 6 nm TSMC FinFET |
| TDP | 35+W | 35+W |
| Cores/Threads | 6P + 8E/20T | 8C/16T |
| CPU Turbo – All Cores | 4.1 GHz (P cores) | 4.3 GHz |
| CPU Turbo – 1 Core | 4.7 GHz (P cores) | 4.7 GHz |
| Cache | 24 MB | 16 MB |
| Memory |
DDR4 and DDR5, up to 64 GB 2 memory channels |
DDR5, up to 64 GB 4 memory channels |
| Graphics | Intel Iris Xe | Radeon 680M, RDNA2 |
Technicalities aren’t that important here, what matters is to understand the design differences between the two.
On one hand, the Ryzen 7 6800H is a refinement of the Ryzen 7 5800H processor from 2021, with slight improvements that allow for an increase in IPC performance, CPU Turbo frequencies, and core efficiency o battery use. Furthermore, this AMD generation implements the much more competent RDNA2-based Radeon iGPU, replacing the aging Vega iGPUs of the past. This matters when it comes to ultraportable designs, but less so with performance and gaming laptops that also implement a dedicated graphics chip that takes over from the iGPU in graphics loads.
On the other hand, the Intel Core i7-12700H processor is a major revamp of what Intel offered in the past, now a hybrid design with 6 Performance Cores and 8 extra Efficiency Cores. These E Cores add up to the performance in demanding loads, and should allow for efficient runs on battery. As you’ll see in our tests, though, they do make a significant difference in sustained CPU loads, but less so with light use in battery, at least with the current software available as of mid-2022.
In fact, efficiency is still a strong suit of the AMD platform, but as far as raw performance goes, Intel has an edge now. Plus, with the Intel notebooks, you’re still getting a few extra perks such as Thunderbolt 4 support or Quick-Sync, which might make a difference for your productivity. USB4.0 support might also be available on some AMD 6000 laptops later in the year, but is not yet available today.
Back to our TUF review units, it’s important to mention that both allow high-power settings in sustained CPU loads, and then they both scale down the CPUs with light use and with CPU+GPU Crossloads, in order to shift power to the Nvidia graphics with Dynamic Boost when needed. That means these implementations are among the better you can expect in a mid-range laptop today and on par with other solid mid-tier laptops such as the Lenovo Legions, Acer Nitros, etc.
Intel Core i7-12700H vs AMD Ryzen 7 6800H benchmarks
Once more, I’ll mention that our review units are identical aside from the CPU platforms, both with 16 GB of DDR5-4800 memory (two sticks), 1 TB of PCIe gen4 SSD storage, and RTX 3060 dGPUs running at up to 140W, with a MUX design. So this article is as much of an apples-to-apples comparison of these two processors as it can be.
I have reviewed the AMD A15 earlier in the year, so there’s a difference in BIOS versions and Nvidia drivers in favor of the Intel F15 model. At the time of the reviews, though, both products were available in retail for at least 1 month and running on mature software. Thus, these differences in BIOS/drivers are not playing any significant role here.
With that out of the way, let’s go over benchmarks results first.
We’ll first go over the sustained CPU performance in the Cinebench R15 loop test, which runs the same test for 15+ times in a loop, with 1-2 sec delay between each run.
First off, on the Turbo max-performance profiles, the Intel platform has 20%+ advantage over the AMD hardware, both at peak power in the first loop, and at sustained power later on.
That’s partially due to the extra Cores and processing capabilities of the i7-12700H processor, but also due to the fact that the Intel processor runs at 90+W of stabilized power, while the AMD model runs at up to 80W. That’s because the AMD Ryzen 7 6800H already delivers that maximum that it is capable of at 80W, while the Intel CPU could score higher if provided with a higher CPU sustained power.
The gap between the two diminishes to about 10% in Performance mode, as in this case both platforms are thermally throttled at ~95C and end up running at lower power (~70W for Intel, ~65W for AMD).
Finally, there’s the Silent mode, where the Intel platform still wins, but only because it benefits from a 45W power setting here, while the AMD processor is limited to 30W with the BIOS version available at the time of the review. Based on our other tests, the AMD platform would have an advantage over the Intel hardware if both were to run at 45W of power.
You’ll find detailed performance logs for both units in our reviews. In here, I’ll just include Cinebench R15 and Blender Turbo mode logs with the laptops sitting on the desk, which shows that the Intel processor is thermally throttled at ~95C, while the AMD processor runs at its peak capabilities at 80W, with temperatures in the low 90s.
With that out of the way, here’s how these two 2022 platforms fair in this stress test against their predecessors from 2021, the Intel Core i7-11800H and the AMD Ryzen 7 5800H. As mentioned already, the 12th gen Intel platform offers a massive increase in performance over the 11th gen i7, while the differences between the Ryzen 6000 and 5000 chips are much smaller, within less than 10%.
One other aspect I will touch on here is the performance on battery use. In this case, the AMD unit runs at 45W sustained, and scores ~10% higher than the Intel model. Don’t expect much in terms of battery life in either case, but if you’re going to run CPU-taxing workloads with the laptop unplugged, the AMD platform is the option to go for.
We’ve confirmed these findings above in other sustained CPU tests such as Blender or Cinebench R23, and you’ll find the details in reviews, if interested.
In here, I’ll just add the 3Dmark CPU scores, which further showcase the differences between the two platforms, with the Intel model winning by 10-25% in all scenarios, including in the 1-thread single-core test.
That’s further evidenced in the results of the synthetic benchmarks listed down below.
| TUF A15, Ryzen 7 6800H + 3060 |
TUF F15, Intel i7 12700H + 3060 |
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| 3DMark 13 – Fire Strike | 21302 (Graphics – 23003, Physics – 26992, Combined – 11388) | 21872 (Graphics – 23416, Physics – 30715, Combined – 11356) |
| 3DMark 13 – Port Royal | 5156 | 5398 |
| 3DMark 13 – Time Spy | 9085 (Graphics – 8888, CPU – 10396) | 9636 (Graphics – 9122, CPU – 14157) |
| Handbrake 1.3.1 (4K to 1080p encode): | 53.29 average fps | 64.51 average fps |
| PCMark 10 | 6037 (E – 10407, P – 9587, DCC – 9625) | 7555 (E – 10510, P – 9946, DCC – 11193) |
| GeekBench 5.4.3 64-bit | Single-Core: 1598, Multi-core: 9847 | Single-Core: 1770, Multi-core: 13128 |
| CineBench R15 (best run) | CPU 2359 cb, CPU Single Core 247 cb | CPU 2850 cb, CPU Single Core 265 cb |
| CineBench R20 (best run) | CPU 5596 cb, CPU Single Core 599 cb | CPU 7148 cb, CPU Single Core 704 cb |
| CineBench R23 (best run) | CPU 14535 cb, CPU Single Core 1556 cb | CPU 18588 cb, CPU Single Core 1819 cb |
| x265 HD Benchmark 64-bit | 25.46 fps | 24.76 fps |
No surprises on the CPU side, but the Intel model also scored up to 5% higher in the GPU tests. That’s partially a result of the updated drivers and BIOS running on this Intel model, though.
That PCMark10 score for Digital Content Creation shows a clear advantage for the Intel model, thanks to the higher CPU IPC and frequencies. That’s further illustrated in the next batch of work-related loads.
| Turbo mode | TUF A15, Ryzen 7 6800H + 3060 |
TUF F15, Intel i7 12700H + 3060 |
| Blender 3.01 – BMW Car scene – CPU Compute | 2m 48s | 2m 20s |
| Blender 3.01 – Classroom scene – CPU Compute | 6m 12s | 5m 20s |
| Blender 3.01 – Classroom scene – GPU, CUDA/Optix | 55s / 30s | 50s / 29s |
| Pugetbench – DaVinci Resolve | 1040 | 1133 |
| Pugetbench – Adobe After Effects | 793 | 922 |
| Pugetbench – Adobe Photoshop | 889 | 1009 |
| Pugetbench – Adobe Premiere: | 729 | 974 |
| SPECviewerf 2020 – 3DSMax | 83.45 | 88.76 |
| SPECviewerf 2020 – Catia | 51.24 | 54.78 |
| SPECviewerf 2020 – Creo | 79.98 | 91.17 |
| SPECviewerf 2020 – Energy | 19.25 | 21.17 |
| SPECviewerf 2020 – Maya | 288.25 | 295.45 |
| SPECviewerf 2020 – Medical | 27.9 | 27.87 |
| SPECviewerf 2020 – SNX | 16.36 | 17.76 |
| SPECviewerf 2020 – SW | 192.42 | 190.49 |
| V-Ray Benchmark – CPU | 10122 | 12450 |
Once more, the Intel platform wins most tests by 10+% in the CPU-heavy loads, and by within 20-8% in Crossloads. However, Quick-Sync plays a role in the Adobe applications, and that’s why After Effects and Premiere performance is higher by 17-25% for the Intel unit, something to definitely consider if you’re getting a laptop for creative work.
I’ll also add that the Turbo mode runs noisy on both units, with the fans spinning up to 50 dB at head level. If you’re interested in quieter use, the Performance mode limits the fans at around 42 dB, while also limiting the CPU/GPU power. In this case, the gap in CPU performance between the AMD and the Intel platforms shrinks, but at the same time, both laptops are running at high temperatures on this profile.
| Performance mode | TUF A15, Ryzen 7 6800H + 3060 |
TUF F15, Intel i7 12700H + 3060 |
| 3DMark 13 – Fire Strike | 19568 (Graphics – 21267, Physics – 25722, Combined – 10275) | 19354 (Graphics – 21603, Physics – 26618, Combined – 8838) |
| 3DMark 13 – Time Spy | 8336 (Graphics – 8153, CPU – 9551) | 8805 (Graphics – 8418, CPU – 11907) |
| GeekBench 5.4.3 64-bit | Single-Core: 1488, Multi-core: 8964 | Single-Core: 1783, Multi-core: 12184 |
| CineBench R20 (best run) | CPU 5139 cb, CPU Single Core 558 cb | CPU 6336 cb, CPU Single Core 697 CB; |
All in all, the Intel Core i7-12700H is faster in demanding loads than the AMD Ryzen 7 6800H platform, as long as implemented in a laptop that can power and cool it properly. The AMD platform already maxes out at 80W, while the Intel platform can gulp 100++ W easily for a boost in performance.
At lower power, though, at sub 60W, the balance swings in favor of the AMD hardware, and that’s something to keep in mind if you’re looking at portable implementations of these specs. And if those rely on iGPU graphics, that’s an extra major selling point for the Ryzen hardware, where the Radeon 680M iGPU demolishes the Iris Xe iGPU available with Intel processors, as shown in this separate comparison.
Finally, the AMD hardware has an edge on battery power as well, with the laptop unplugged from the wall, where it runs both faster in sustained loads, and more efficiently. More on that in a bit.
Gaming performance
First, gaming performance. Since the two review units are running the exact same RTX 3060 Nvidia dGPU at up to 140W of power with Dynamic Boost and a MUX, you’d expect minimal differences between the two platforms. In real-life, though, those differences vary between the tested titles. Here are the results, and I’ll explain the differences down below.
| Turbo, dGPU Mode | TUF A15 Ryzen 7 6800H + RTX 3060 140W |
TUF F15 Core i7-12700H + RTX 3060 140W |
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| Resolution | QHD – 1440p | FHD – 1080p | QHD – 1440p | FHD – 1080p |
| Battlefield V (DX 12, Ultra Preset, RTX OFF) |
110 fps (62 fps – 1% low) | 137 fps (76 fps – 1% low) | 109 fps (58 fps – 1% low) | 142 fps (62 fps – 1% low) |
| Cyberpunk 2077 (DX 12, Ultra Preset, RTX OFF) |
41 fps (31 fps – 1% low) | 59 fps (40 fps – 1% low) | 38 fps (31 fps – 1% low) | 57 fps (42 fps – 1% low) |
| Doom Eternal (Vulkan, Ultra Preset) |
crashed | 182 fps (113 fps – 1% low) | 84 fps (72 fps – 1% low) | 209 fps (117 fps – 1% low) |
| Far Cry 6 (DX 12, Ultra Preset, TAA) |
69 fps (51 fps – 1% low) | 81 fps (62 fps – 1% low) | 69 fps (40 fps – 1% low) | 89 fps (51 fps – 1% low) |
| Far Cry 5 (DX 11, Ultra Preset, SMAA) |
91 fps (76 fps – 1% low) | 108 fps (72 fps – 1% low) | 96 fps (69 fps – 1% low) | 121 fps (85 fps – 1% low) |
| Red Dead Redemption 2 (DX 12, Ultra Optimized, TAA) |
70 fps (53 fps – 1% low) | 92 fps (66 fps – 1% low) | 73 fps (55 fps – 1% low) | 96 fps (69 fps – 1% low) |
| Shadow of Tomb Raider (DX 12, Highest Preset, TAA) |
77 fps (61 fps – 1% low) | 105 fps (72 fps – 1% low) | 83 fps (66 fps – 1% low) | 113 fps (72 fps – 1% low) |
| The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (DX 11, Ultra Preset, Hairworks On 4) |
84 fps (62 fps – 1% low) | 112 fps (74 fps – 1% low) | 85 fps (66 fps – 1% low) | 121 fps (79 fps – 1% low) |
At QHD resolution, the two are very close, but the Intel model outpaces the AMD model at FHD resolution, especially in the older titles and those more CPU bound.
I also noticed that Dynamic Boost works as expected in all titles on the Intel model, but it doesn’t scale properly in titles such as Far Cry 5 on the AMD model. Hence, the GPU runs at lower power in these titles on the AMD unit, which partially explains the differences in recorded framerates. I’m going in-depth on these aspects in the reviews.
I must also touch on the internal CPU/GPU temperatures here. These TUFs are both up to 155W of Crossload CPU+GPU power designs, with the ability to allocate up to 140W of power to the GPU with Dynamic Boost, and the rest to the CPU. As a result, the GPU runs in the low to mid-80s on both, but the CPU runs a fair bit warmer on the AMD model.
Of course, as explained in our reviews, the cooling design chokes up the fans on these TUF Gaming laptops as long as you’re keeping them on a desk, and bumping up their backs of the desk in order to improve the airflow helps lower the internal temperatures.
No matter how you use the laptop, though, the CPU and GPU in the Intel model run a few degrees cooler than on the AMD model, as shown in these logs below.
That’s despite the fact that both share an identical thermal module design, with two fans, four radiators, several heatpipes, and high-capacity VRMs.
This aspect also translates into some thermal differences at the case level, where the hotspot on the Intel model is a few degrees lower than the same hotspot on the AMD unit. These differences are within 2-5 degrees Celsius.
Bottom point, the Intel platform has a minor edge in gaming performance and temperatures in these two review units. The differences are small, but could matter in your decision.
Efficiency
Battery life is one final aspect I’d like to touch on here, especially with daily use activities and video streaming.
Here’s what we got in our tests on the AMD platform, with the screen’s brightness set at around 120 nits (~60 brightness), 60 Hz refresh, and on Hybrid MUX mode.
- 14 W (~5-7 h of use) – text editing in Google Drive, Silent Mode, screen at 60%, WiFi ON;
- 12 W (~7-8 h of use) – 1080p fullscreen video on Youtube in Edge, Silent Mode, screen at 60%, WiFi ON;
- 11.5 W (~8-9 h of use) – Netflix fullscreen in Edge, Silent Mode, screen at 60%, WiFi ON;
- 18 W (~4-6 h of use) – browsing in Edge, Performance Mode, screen at 60%, WiFi ON;
- 85 W (~1 h of use) – Gaming – Witcher 3, Performance Mode, screen at 60%, WiFi ON, no fps limit.
And here’s the Intel model with the exact same screen and settings:
- 16 W (~5-6 h of use) – text editing in Google Drive, Silent Mode, screen at 60%, WiFi ON;
- 15.5 W (~6 h of use) – 1080p fullscreen video on Youtube in Edge, Silent Mode, screen at 60%, WiFi ON;
- 14 W (~6-7 h of use) – Netflix fullscreen in Edge, Silent Mode, screen at 60%, WiFi ON;
- 20 W (~4-5 h of use) – browsing in Edge, Performance Mode, screen at 60%, WiFi ON;
- 80 W (~1+ h of use) – Gaming – Witcher 3, Performance Mode, screen at 60%, WiFi ON, no fps limit.
The AMD configuration wins here by a fair margin, and keep in mind those AMD readings have most likely improved in the meantime with the more recent software, based on our other reviews of Ryzen 6000 notebooks.
Thus, if battery life is important for you, the AMD Ryzen platform scores a potentially game-changing point in the efficiency category.
Conclusions – AMD Ryzen or Intel Core?
Unlike in previous years, the 2022 Intel 12th gen hardware offers a significant boost in performance over the AMD Ryzen 6000 hardware of this generation, as well as over the Intel and AMD platforms available before. Compared to the Ryzen 7 6800H, we’re looking at a 5-20% advantage in CPU tests and workloads, 20+% in creative loads that utilize Quick-Sync, and even 5-10% gains in combined activities, work tasks, and games.
If interested, a detailed comparison between the higher-tier AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX and Intel Core i9-12900H processors is available in this separate article.
Furthermore, our tests of the identical TUF Gaming units showcase a slight advantage in internal and external temperatures for the Intel unit, despite the fact that both are running in the same conditions and implement the same thermal module.
The AMD platform, on the other hand, is still the more efficient of the two, especially with light use and video streaming. At the time of this article, Intel still need to optimize those Efficiency cores, as I’m not seeing any noticeable efficiency improvements between the 11th and 12th gen Core H platforms.
Pricing is another aspect that you will want to consider in your decision, and that seems to lean in favor of the AMD platform as well, as of mid-2022. At the same time, AMD are having a hard-time supplying Ryzen 6000 laptops in stores, so your options for AMD laptops might end up quite limited. On top of that, you should also account for the fact that Intel hardware is still available in a lot more SKUs these days, both in mid-level gaming laptops such as the TUFs referenced here, but especially in higher-tier performance options, where AMD options are still limited.
Bottom point, the Ryzen 7 6800H and the entire Ryzen 6000 hardware platform are competitive, well-balanced for demanding loads and daily use on battery, and theoretically more affordable than the Intel specs of 2022. At the same time, though, Intel’s 12th gen i7-12700H and the entire Alder Lake platform is the performance champion of the generation, and are available in a wider range of notebooks.
This pretty much wraps up my take on the AMD Ryzen 7 6800H and Intel Core i7-12700H. More about each implementation is available in our detailed reviews, so make sure to check them out. Oh, and don’t forget to post your feedback and impressions down below, in the comments section.
Jack
June 3, 2022 at 7:48 pm
Again, great comparative analysis. Keep up the good work.
One question regarding the spec table at the beginning – does any of the TUFs have DDR4 support? I think both only provide DDR5 DIMM support.
Andrei Girbea
June 13, 2022 at 6:36 am
they're both DDR5. other Intel/AMD laptops support DDR4 memory
Raf
June 7, 2022 at 3:39 am
Hi, I noticed in the first table "Intel Core i7-12700H vs AMD Ryzen 7 6800H specs sheets" the "Intel Core i7-12700H – Alder Lake" column is labeled as 11th gen instead of 12th
Andrei Girbea
June 13, 2022 at 6:43 am
thanks, updated!
NikoB
June 9, 2022 at 12:01 pm
It is clearly visible that AMD completely smashes Intel in 45W mode at less than 30dB of noise (and this is the main thing for the consumer – noise!). Also, as unlike competitors, you do not check the memory subsystem in AIDA64 and do not check the laptops in its tests. And there the picture is even more interesting-Alder Lake completely drains (-30-35%!) In the tests of FPU Ray-Trace 64 to the old Tiger Lake-H. Without any optimization, and such is the majority of software!
It is also clearly visible that rare laptop models completely utilize the DDR5 4800 (read/record/copy/copy should exceed 65GB/s).
At the same time, the support of 8K monitors (which will be available for the first time in Ryzen 7xxx, and not at all in Intel) requires a memory capacity of at least 110-120GB/s! Those. 2 channels are not enough in DDR5! Only four are acceptable!
Again, in the specifications, the characteristics of the memory controller are lied – Intel has up to 128GB with 4 memory slots. AMD has a maximum of 64GB (and a maximum of 2 slots). And the 4 channels of AMD are available only in the presence of LPDDR4/5 soldered memory and no other than 32GB is available in this mode. But for some reason, the speed in this mode is still not more than 65GB/s. What is the meaning of these 4 channels of AMD? No sense.
Also, we must not forget the radical advantage of Intel processors – a direct (inside SOC) support for Thunderbolt 4.0/USB40. In the AMD, despite the false marketing assurances about Zen3+ with USB40 support (and actually TB4.0), in reality, not a single manufacturer, including Lenovo, did not provide equal ports in the Intel and AMD versions.
Owners of AMD are always losing to owners of Intel versions on ports TB4.0/USB40. And this means that the owners of laptops with AMD (especially the U series) are deprived of the possibility of connecting an external EGPU (and without restrictions on power and quality of the cooling system!). Unlike AMD laptops, Intel owners with the TB4.0 port (3.0) can, if desired, have been to connect even the future GTX4090TI to an office laptop like Lenovo ThinkBook 15 G5 with a laptop with TB 3.0). Intel 1165G7 and easy to play the most modern games! Owners of even game AMD laptops are deprived of this and no upgrade of the video system is provided for them! Only the absence of the port TB4.0 must (must) reduce the price of the AMD of iron by 25-30%, because Laptops with their processors are obsolete instantly without the port of TB4.0 in games.
NikoB
June 9, 2022 at 12:14 pm
It is also very bad that the review does not check the full support of HDMI 2.1 in 48 Gbits mode! This is critical to support 4K monitors for 120-144 Hz in HDR (30 bits mode)! For work with fast response on surfing and office!
To the shame of manufacturers, some laptops still do not have HDMI 2.1 port (of course, it makes sense only in complete functionality at 48 Gbits!), despite the fact that the GTX3XXX series are have native HDMI 2.1 support!
It is clearly seen that the entire processor industry has come to a dead end. Productivity does not grow together with the fall of consumption (but what about the green economy and the ban on the sales of plasma panels – and why are they allowed to sell processors consuming 200W in household computers?) And only thanks to the growth of consumption and increasing the load on the ecology of the planet! This must be prohibited! Processors for laptops (at least) should consume less, but work faster – otherwise it is a pure fraud from manufacturers!
AlexS
June 13, 2022 at 5:17 pm
"This must be prohibited!"
Why you don't accept freedom? you don't even think that there are people that work from home and that their house is their company? Why are you so moralist and unidimensional?
AlexS
June 11, 2022 at 4:27 am
Excellent review. Thanks.
y.v.
July 13, 2022 at 8:15 am
I stil do not understand, why e-cores on Intell do not work as intended… The e-cores are all about power efficency, we could expect notebooks using e-cores only 80% of time… but it does not seems to work. Why Ryzen is so much better in Idle? Something wrong in software\firmware optimization, so Intell is usually running on p-cores even for simple browser and 1080 video?
Any way to test Intell with e-cores only? I have seen tests alike for a desktop 12600k and all 4 cores run at 45W with pretty nice overall perforance…
Andrei Girbea
July 13, 2022 at 9:05 am
Software/BIOS needs better optimization in order for the system to output light loads onto the E Cores alone, without calling for the P Cores. See our review of the XPS 14 9520 and the ROg Flow Z13, those are the only 12-th gen Core H products that actually offer good battery life in our tests.
NikoB
July 15, 2022 at 11:07 pm
>Andrei Girbea
"those are the only 12-th gen Core H products that actually offer good battery life in our tests."
Lenovo officially claims that Alder Lake loses sharply in terms of Zen3+ autonomy. In psref for the same model with the same battery, the difference is 9.8h vs 12h in favor of AMD. See psref for the Legion 7 2022 series.
The only reason why you should choose Intel is the presence of TB4.0(3.0) ports that have the ability to connect an eGPU by pci-e 3.0 x4 link, which AMD versions do not have for all manufacturers of notebooks. Thus, buyers of the AMD version are at a significant loss (100% not possible to upgrade the video card) in terms of the possibility of upgrading the laptop's video system. In the future, it will be possible to connect even 5090Ti with an eGPU link (even the performance loss of 25-35% due to the narrow x4 pci-e 3.0 link is insignificant compared to the real increase in fps and image quality), and in the desktop version, without TDP restrictions and with quieter cooling (for example, water). The owner of the AMD version has no choice – as soon as the video chip becomes obsolete, he will have to change the entire laptop to a new one. While the owner of Intel will have to spend only on the riser, PSU and a new desktop video card.
Chaos
August 2, 2022 at 1:06 am
I doubt someone wants to pay the same price or more than their laptop to add a newer GPU, if so they could just buy a desktop to swap their cards if they have the money. I believe most people aren't worried about the lack of support in AMD otherwise they wouldn't get it?
Roman
October 7, 2022 at 10:20 am
Niko, as per Lenovo Legion 5 Pro with 6800H should have USB 4 with 40Gbps bandwidth, isn't it a match to TB3/4? psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/Legion/Lenovo_Legion_5_Pro_16ARH7/Lenovo_Legion_5_Pro_16ARH7_Spec.html?ver=d48fd689-a7d1-4dff-85aa-8863329bd874
NikoB
December 21, 2022 at 7:19 pm
At the time of writing these lines, I was not yet aware that Lenovo updated the bios on June 28 for the L5Pro and L7 lines, adding support for USB40 with eGPU. But again, we should not forget that in the L5 series with Zen3 + there is no USB40 support, Lenovo deprived it of this. And in the version with Intel it is.
And by the way, there is a clear marketing nonsense with the L5, L5Pro and L7 lines. The L5 has a 1080p webcam, L5Pro 720p, and L7 1080p. Although, given their position, L5 should have 1080p@60fps, L5Pro 1440p@60fps and L7 4k@60fps, because this is the top line – a top universal model from Lenovo…
AlexS
August 23, 2022 at 10:06 pm
I have now something to add that i learned recently and is important for video editing and changes this clearly in favour of 12700H.
H265 HEVC video decoding in 4:2:2 10bits, this is getting big traction in drone footage, high quality smarthphones etc.
Please refer to this page and 2nd chart
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/What-H-264-and-H-265-Hardware-Decoding-is-Supported-in-DaVinci-Resolve-Studio-2122/
Note how important to have a Intel CPU with Quicksync. a 6800H and a 3080 will struggle to play H265 10bit 4:2:2.
Andrei Girbea
August 24, 2022 at 6:15 am
Thanks. I was already aware that Intel is the more capable choice when it comes to video editing due to Quick Sync. This further proves it.
Roman
October 7, 2022 at 12:54 pm
On Ryzen 6800H configuration, any solution to match those encoding performance for someone who needs it? Maybe force encoding to GPU? Or maybe some upcoming soft updates expected to help it? From AMD or other parties?
Andrei Girbea
October 7, 2022 at 1:09 pm
in which aplications?
Roman
October 7, 2022 at 1:12 pm
Excuse me for lack of clarity, I was aiming more towards the "process" itself, H265 HEVC video decoding in 4:2:2 10bits regardless of the application, the encoding/decoding/playing process, as Alex S said was degraded in Ryzen compared to Intel, so the question, anything comes to enhance it on Ryzen's part? drivers/codecs? can potentially someone who need it, offload the process to GPU to avoid the struggle on Ryzen part? make it more par with intel's performance…?
Andrei Girbea
October 7, 2022 at 6:00 pm
I don't have the right answer for you. Hopefully, Alex or someone else can pitch in.
Roman
October 7, 2022 at 11:07 am
Alex, can't on Ryzen machine force the encoding go the GPU/Tensor and offload from CPU and get similar encoding performance to Intel? On this encoding?
Martin Hurley
September 7, 2022 at 11:25 pm
What are your thoughts if one can secure a 6800H with 3070ti (140w) for around the same price as 12700h with 3060 (130w)? Would the gaming performance then trump the Intel as tested here?
Andrei Girbea
September 17, 2022 at 7:52 pm
Yes, the 3070Ti would make a huge difference in games
Roman
October 7, 2022 at 10:25 am
Andrei,
As sadly my year old Asus g513qy AMD edition laptop having GPU dying and no warranty, I was looking for a new reliable laptop that will have years of trustworthy operation, as I studied Legions found to be amongst most reliable units in the market, then on Ebay I had choice between:
GigaByte 12700H + 3070 TI 130W + 16GB DDR 4 + 4K AMOLED 60HZ + NO mux switch
Lenovo Legion 5 Pro 6800H + 16GB DDR 5 + 3070 TI 150W + IPS QHD 165Hz + Mux Switch
Price for both was promo $1399, most of the time I work at home, plugged to work, but sometimes if need/want work outside from coffee place, without power slot, i want to last a full working shift, approx 8-9 hours. So I went for Ryzen.
Performance wise, since Ryzen comes with DDR5, Mux switch, and GPU is 150W, I will basically get very close match to the intel option? for work and gaming?
Thanks!
Andrei Girbea
October 7, 2022 at 12:47 pm
That Lenovo is a very solid configuration that should last you for many years. I would recommend having the laptop on some sort of raiser stand in order to facilitate the airflow of fresh air into the fans, and keep temperatures lower under load.
Gigabyte laptops are alright as well, but with lower performance and 60Hz OLED screen. That's 100% DCI-P3, so you get better colors, but using an OLED laptops requires extra care in order to prevent any screen issues long term.
Roman
October 7, 2022 at 12:58 pm
So, I made the right choice between the two considering all specs combined? And same price tag, They are very close for gaming and work, yeah?
Rabauken
October 11, 2022 at 11:18 pm
I have to choose the same model of a thin laptop with an i5-12500h (DDR4 3200) or R7 6800h (DDR5 4800) processor, without a dedicated graphics card. The Ryzen model is 10% more expensive. Which will be the better choice?
Andrei Girbea
October 12, 2022 at 8:33 am
Go with the AMD – similar CPU pmulti-threaded performance, better RAM, better graphics, better efficiency.
ooren
October 30, 2022 at 4:18 pm
Don't BS people about battery, I'm getting 10 hours with 12700h using throttlestop, process lasso and unpark cpu.
Roman
October 30, 2022 at 9:38 pm
Mind share your setup / settings guide?
Wilson Foster
November 15, 2022 at 3:16 pm
I'm using the translator, sorry.
I'm in doubt between a Lenovo legion 5 with the same hardware as the test with the i7-12700h Or an Asus tuf with the Ryzen 7 6800h but with a 3070, both basically at the same price.
Will there be much difference between the tests you took?
And are they for the better?
Andrei Girbea
November 15, 2022 at 3:46 pm
The CPU results are similar between the Legion and the TUFs . GPU results will be noticeably faster on the 3070 than on the 3060.
Wilson Foster
November 15, 2022 at 8:39 pm
so can i go on AMD with 3070 without fear?
Andrei Girbea
November 16, 2022 at 11:22 am
you have to decide for yourself. There are plenty of article here that will explain the performance differences.
noisy owl
December 18, 2022 at 8:59 am
I have read the article carefully as I was interested in exactly these two processors. Yet I still cannot tell from the article if it's going to be AMD or Intel that is likely to be noisier in everyday tasks like web browsing, or watching a video on YT, provider power mode settings are chosen that allow for fluid work at minimal noise. This is what would really matter to me.
Of course, a lot depends on how the fans are programmed to respond, and that also differs between laptop models and makers. In fact I would not be surprised if repeating the same situations will result in different noise results each time, requiring re-runs of the tests to get average scores.
Finally, a word on the HS version of the AMD would have been interesting in terms of noise generation as oftentimes, in non-gaming laptops, the intel model is the alternative choise to an AMD HS, not H processor.
Andrei Girbea
December 19, 2022 at 9:42 am
As you said, this would vary between the different SKUs based on the power and fan profiles chosen for each unit. There's no way to generally estimate noise levels in a platform comparison article. Generally, the thicker the laptop, the quieter it would run with daily use. Furthermore, most models offer a profile that forces the fans idle as long as the components remain within certain temperature limits.
As for the HS vs H, the two are nearly identical. Sure, HS is supposed to run at a lower design TDP, but that doesn't matter in real-use, because each product implements the hardware at different settings. For example, you can have a Ryzen H thinner laptop that runs at 40Wh and a Ryzen HS thicker laptop that runs at 75W sustained in demanding loads. Both would run at similar power settings with daily use, but which one would be quieter is based on the cooling module and power settings of each unit.
noisy owl
December 19, 2022 at 11:00 am
I only wanted to thank you for your comment